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I feel pretty much the same way. Bush either lied to the American people or was a puppet for someone that did. Either way he has to go. It seems that he was also lazy with his duties regarding national security pre 9/11. Its bad when some republicans have the "ill vote for him even tho he is an idiot because the other 2 are way too far left" attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quistis
Well, if the economy improves incredibly, everyone has health care, social security payments go way up, the terror threat is minimal, unemployment % are very low, and if hospitals, fire dep, police + school systems get full funding and thrive we will prolly be a very happy and unified nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob_McKenzie
I also love conspiracy theories. Dont believe them but love to hear about em. This one is prolly my fav: http://www.ericblumrich.com/lotto.html
I remember a great one post-9-11 analysing the crash at the Pentagon. They drew in the outlines of what the aircraft would have looked like before impact and wondered why the wings of the craft didn't hit the building (they should have) and pointed out a few other "problems" and suggested at the end that the entire 9-11 incident was staged by the CIA (or who-the-fuck-ever) to get the US into the middle east.
Scary part was it was hard to refute unless their aircraft scale was drawn incorrectly.
Neither of the above, the 9/11 commission, the senate intel committee, Lord Butler's report, and Vlad Putin's mea culpa all agree that no one lied about anything. He (as well as Kerry, who voted for the war, and everyone else) was given poorly analyzed intel on which he acted in good faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levitacus
If the 5 democrats and 5 republicans of the 9/11 commission can agree that clinton fucked up, but not on purpose, I can accept that. Its time for you to accept Bush fucked up, but not on purpose. He acted on the best intel in the world, which turned out to suck ass.
Not sure where thats coming from, if you'll remember correctly he'd been in office for 8 months and a day when it happened, and he'd up to that point pretty much just followed the national security model clinton had left in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levitacus
The fucktards in the planes had been here, and training, for several years. Were opportunities missed? Of course, by both administrations. Could September 11th been avoided? Maybe, but probably not. Our intel services just didn't cooperate with eachother enough or reward analysts for suggesting things that weren't standard operating procedure. In short, its neither clinton nor bush's fault that sept. 11 happened through "laziness" or any other fault. The country simply wasn't prepared or expecting it, it was a sucker punch.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: They are both hypocritical morons. I will vote for the hypocritical moron who most closely reflects my opinions on issues. Is that the same as voting for him because the other hypocritical moron is way too far left? I guess so, he is too far left to reflect my opinions on issues, and that is how everyone votes, isn't it? If he espouses the opposite of your opinions, you don't vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levitacus
Besides, no one in the democratic party likes kerry. He's got the personality of a rock, albeit a well polished rock because he is ridiculously rich. He looks like someone drew a charicature of a patriarchal boarding school dean and added flesh, even after his botox (for God's sake, if you have any pull in the boston demo circle, tell kerry to get the neck fixed, too... he looks silly with the smooth face and turkey neck).
So let me turn that statement back around: Its bad when some democrats have the "I'll vote for the candidate I don't trust or agree with because he's not Dubya." attitude. In truth, Dubya doesn't reflect your opinions on issues and Kerry is closer, right? Same with us. No conspiracy.
None of that will happen for the better part of a generation other than the economy improving, thats already been happening for a year and a half. The rest of those are problems we've been fighting for a very long time, they won't turn around fast no matter who plops his ass in the oval office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levitacus
That is entertaining, with any luck its true :xyxthumbsQuote:
Originally Posted by Levitacus
Some people just don't want to know the truth. Knowledge > Soundbytes
Voting shouldn't be a "gut" decision, but an educated one. At least lazy voters are usually non-voters.
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Originally Posted by Shaamus
NO. GO BACK TO YOUR 9/11 THREAD AND GET OUT OF MY HATE MAIL!
Ill give you that he may have thought in his mind that what he was doing was the correct thing. The Rice and Powell quotes from a couple months before 9/11 were interesting. They both said Iraq was minimal to no risk to the US. Anyways, the Bush laziness came from the 9/11 commision:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob_McKenzie
Attorney General John Ashcroft told acting FBI director Thomas Pickard that he did not want to hear anything more about terrorist threats. -Commission Report at p. 265
Bush failed to have even one meeting to discuss the threat of terrorism with his head of counterterrorism Richard Clarke. -Commission Report at p. 201.
Bush failed to react to the August 6, 2001 security briefing, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” -Commission Report at pp. 260-262.
Here are some of the comical outtakes from some of the new Bush ad campaigns: http://kintera.sitestream.com/ferrell_qt_hi.movQuote:
Originally Posted by Quistis
Aww i'm sorry hun. Ignore what I say and just shut the fuck up and dirl! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Quistis
ps - <3 teh Q
I saw this and couldnt help think of Bush, sorry had to post it:
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.... And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
: : -William Shakespeare
Nire, but I prefer:
"Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15. "
-Ronald Reagan
I suppose this one is a more appropriate response to slick willy shakespeare:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. "
John Stuart Mill
Wow, were G.W and Kerry both in the skull+bones @ yale for 2 years together? 66-68? Anyone?
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- General Herman Goering, President of German Reichstag and Nazi Party, Commander of Luftwaffe, April 18, 1946.
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Levitacus
"Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism & communism, war has never solved anything."Quote:
Originally Posted by Arson
- Protest sign