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    LoL SK I didn't post for one day and you wrote out a couple essays.

    Ok first off, I love good rants about governments, and never take anything personally so no hard feelings over anything said here.

    You and me have very opposite point of views on this aspect. I'm a firm believer that the BUSH party caused 9/11 themselves to pass particular legislation to justify them to enact parts of the Patriotic Act which took away freedoms from so many people. If you don't believe me, fine. I don't believe you and will never believe you that Bush didn't have a hand in that fucking fiasco. I'm not going to explain why, since both of us ain't gonna change our views.

    The list of holidays you pointed out.... I was talking about Legal holidays. Well the only legal ones on that list that had any involvement with any religion were Christian ones... So wtf. I didn't mean ALL holidays cause Independence day and the such are not religious. Just all of the religious holidays that are stats are Christian.

    Education... Canadians get a much broader variety of education. The things you have said are typical replies of an American fat on propaganda. You said I should fear you? Well atleast you would punch the person who hit you in the face. Your government however gets punched (well they made it look like they got hit) by the Taliban and your government goes and punches Iraq in the face. I'd much prefer a fight with someone who fought back rather then go fight someone else.

    Americans like you SK give your country a bad rep. Sometimes its ok to admit your own faults rather then try to cover them with absurdities of other people being worse. You have to fix things at home, before you can go out and try to fix other countries problems. The world would be a much better place without the American dictatorship that we face now. Two party systems are worse then a sole party since the illusion of choice is worse then the realization of control. American or Taliban, the world would be better off if both were gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxll
    LoL SK I didn't post for one day and you wrote out a couple essays.

    Ok first off, I love good rants about governments, and never take anything personally so no hard feelings over anything said here.

    You and me have very opposite point of views on this aspect. I'm a firm believer that the BUSH party caused 9/11 themselves to pass particular legislation to justify them to enact parts of the Patriotic Act which took away freedoms from so many people. If you don't believe me, fine. I don't believe you and will never believe you that Bush didn't have a hand in that fucking fiasco. I'm not going to explain why, since both of us ain't gonna change our views.

    The list of holidays you pointed out.... I was talking about Legal holidays. Well the only legal ones on that list that had any involvement with any religion were Christian ones... So wtf. I didn't mean ALL holidays cause Independence day and the such are not religious. Just all of the religious holidays that are stats are Christian.

    Education... Canadians get a much broader variety of education. The things you have said are typical replies of an American fat on propaganda. You said I should fear you? Well atleast you would punch the person who hit you in the face. Your government however gets punched (well they made it look like they got hit) by the Taliban and your government goes and punches Iraq in the face. I'd much prefer a fight with someone who fought back rather then go fight someone else.

    Americans like you SK give your country a bad rep. Sometimes its ok to admit your own faults rather then try to cover them with absurdities of other people being worse. You have to fix things at home, before you can go out and try to fix other countries problems. The world would be a much better place without the American dictatorship that we face now. Two party systems are worse then a sole party since the illusion of choice is worse then the realization of control. American or Taliban, the world would be better off if both were gone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by iXenomorph
    "We needed to test out 2 bombs for the world."

    By that rhetoric, you could execute any hostile action and claim it is a "test for the world." Pearl harbor - the Japanese were testing the effectiveness of 2 waves of Kamikaze fighters "for the world."

    No. Simply because the USA is supposedly "the standard" of human morality, does not give it the right to "test things out for the better of the world." Using the rationale of "the end justifies the means" to account for human life is flawed, hypocritical and immoral. That's like saying;

    "As the self proclaimed leading example of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, the USA hereby declares its moral superiority over that of people of other nations, and thus with this resolution find it an apt and reasonable decision to compromise the right to life of 200,000 completely innocent civilians, in order to promote freedom and democracy. Thereby we present a dubious solution to a vague presumption that another world war may or may not be avoided because of fear from other countries of our nuclear power."

    And, no. There have been several major military conflicts after world war 2 that America has participated in.

    Thus, the end does not justify the means, and even if it did, the end (World peace or a complete absence of wars/battles/etc.) has not been reached by the means (the use of Nuclear weapons) because of the fact that it has not prevented military conflict from occurring.

    Sk said it best, educateing some people is a full time job. when your post starts out with totally incorrect facts, the rest of it losses what little point it had. japan did not test out two waves of kamikaze fighters on pearl harbor. they attacked with two waves of fighter planes. the kamikaze attacks came later in the war when japan, short on supplies and trained pilots, became desperate and had untrained teens and young adults fly suicide missions with the sole intent of crashing their planes into targets. this was decided on because they had more planes then actual trained pilots. conscripts were a dime a dozen. did you ever go find one of those book things i have been telling you about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxll
    LoL SK I didn't post for one day and you wrote out a couple essays.

    Ok first off, I love good rants about governments, and never take anything personally so no hard feelings over anything said here.

    You and me have very opposite point of views on this aspect. I'm a firm believer that the BUSH party caused 9/11 themselves to pass particular legislation to justify them to enact parts of the Patriotic Act which took away freedoms from so many people. If you don't believe me, fine. I don't believe you and will never believe you that Bush didn't have a hand in that fucking fiasco. I'm not going to explain why, since both of us ain't gonna change our views.

    The list of holidays you pointed out.... I was talking about Legal holidays. Well the only legal ones on that list that had any involvement with any religion were Christian ones... So wtf. I didn't mean ALL holidays cause Independence day and the such are not religious. Just all of the religious holidays that are stats are Christian.

    Education... Canadians get a much broader variety of education. The things you have said are typical replies of an American fat on propaganda. You said I should fear you? Well atleast you would punch the person who hit you in the face. Your government however gets punched (well they made it look like they got hit) by the Taliban and your government goes and punches Iraq in the face. I'd much prefer a fight with someone who fought back rather then go fight someone else.

    Americans like you SK give your country a bad rep. Sometimes its ok to admit your own faults rather then try to cover them with absurdities of other people being worse. You have to fix things at home, before you can go out and try to fix other countries problems. The world would be a much better place without the American dictatorship that we face now. Two party systems are worse then a sole party since the illusion of choice is worse then the realization of control. American or Taliban, the world would be better off if both were gone.

    does he truely believe a single word he just said? i mean holy shit, do you believe the obama admin caused this recesion so they could pass TARP and other massive spending measures? i bet lincoln intentionally caused the civil war so he could suspend habius corpus. FDR caused the great depresion so he could institute a welfare program. JFK had someone shoot him so people would overlook the bay of pigs, and nasa is trying to assassinate the president with earth quakes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentKnight
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    My point is not that nuclear weapons may/may not have saved lives. My point is that, if the US has used nuclear weapons, it is in absolutely no position to have any semblance of authority dictating whether or not a foreign country may or even may not bear nuclear weapons.

    As for the presumption that the nuclear bombs may have prevented more deaths in an all-out war, that's basically like saying,

    "As long as we assume -- with no possible way of predicting -- that less Americans will be harmed by wiping our feet on the American constitution and taking these completely innocent peoples' rights to life away -- killing them -- then its worth it to drop the bomb and blow 200,000 random people to hell. Not counting radiation poisoning/all that crap."

    Yup, that is the rhetoric of "if it saves even ONE life, its worth it!" In other words, if one life will be saved by compromising everything that America stands for, the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, etc, it's worth it! If I lived in an underground prison isolated for the rest of my life, I'd be completely immune to the dangers of life in general (Vehicle accidents, drug abuse, gang fights, terrorist attacks etc etc), would that be worth it?

    "I'm going to nuke the middle east!"
    "What? That's crazy!?"
    "But I'm preventing terrorists from killing Americans!"
    "Wait, you're going to kill all middle-eastern people under the vague presumption that terrorists are all middle-eastern?"
    "Yep."
    "Wait, isn't that discriminatory?!"
    "WHAT? If it saves even ONE LIFE, ITS WORTH IT!"
    "Wait, what about the lives and freedoms of all the innocent people that you are bombing?"
    "Are you saying you DON'T WANT TO SAVE THE LIVES OF INNOCENT AMERICANS? ARE YOU SOME KIND OF TERRORIST?!"

    No. My resolution stands. The ends never justifies the means. Let's end all war on earth by destroying everyone that lives on Earth. With no humans, there will be no more war on Earth! Genius! Let's save American lives by nuking Japan! Let's introduce prohibition laws on alcohol!

    If it saves even one life, it's worth it!

    No it's not. We all know how that turned out.

    Quote Originally Posted by SK
    so you are arguing that the USA lacks the proper moral authority to try to prevent the spread of nuclear technology to non nuclear nations because we have used them in anger against another country in the past?
    That is exactly what I am saying. If you abuse drugs, do you have the authority to tell your children not to? If you are a bad parent, do you have the authority to tell your children to be a good parent? If you use nuclear weapons to kill 200,000 people under the vague presumption that you are saving American lives by shitting on the rights and freedoms of others, do you have the moral authority to tell other countries not to wield nuclear weapons?

    No, you do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brekken
    Sk said it best, educateing some people is a full time job. when your post starts out with totally incorrect facts, the rest of it losses what little point it had. japan did not test out two waves of kamikaze fighters on pearl harbor. they attacked with two waves of fighter planes. the kamikaze attacks came later in the war when japan, short on supplies and trained pilots, became desperate and had untrained teens and young adults fly suicide missions with the sole intent of crashing their planes into targets. this was decided on because they had more planes then actual trained pilots. conscripts were a dime a dozen. did you ever go find one of those book things i have been telling you about?
    I'm using specific details about pearl harbor -- kamikaze -- to illustrate the specific incident -- Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- as opposed to the *whole* -- pearl harbor attack -- to the entire -- World War 2 -- .

    Regardless, you've completely missed the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iXenomorph
    My point is not that nuclear weapons may/may not have saved lives. My point is that, if the US has used nuclear weapons, it is in absolutely no position to have any semblance of authority dictating whether or not a foreign country may or even may not bear nuclear weapons.

    As for the presumption that the nuclear bombs may have prevented more deaths in an all-out war, that's basically like saying,

    "As long as we assume -- with no possible way of predicting -- that less Americans will be harmed by wiping our feet on the American constitution and taking these completely innocent peoples' rights to life away -- killing them -- then its worth it to drop the bomb and blow 200,000 random people to hell. Not counting radiation poisoning/all that crap."

    Yup, that is the rhetoric of "if it saves even ONE life, its worth it!" In other words, if one life will be saved by compromising everything that America stands for, the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, etc, it's worth it! If I lived in an underground prison isolated for the rest of my life, I'd be completely immune to the dangers of life in general (Vehicle accidents, drug abuse, gang fights, terrorist attacks etc etc), would that be worth it?

    "I'm going to nuke the middle east!"
    "What? That's crazy!?"
    "But I'm preventing terrorists from killing Americans!"
    "Wait, you're going to kill all middle-eastern people under the vague presumption that terrorists are all middle-eastern?"
    "Yep."
    "Wait, isn't that discriminatory?!"
    "WHAT? If it saves even ONE LIFE, ITS WORTH IT!"
    "Wait, what about the lives and freedoms of all the innocent people that you are bombing?"
    "Are you saying you DON'T WANT TO SAVE THE LIVES OF INNOCENT AMERICANS? ARE YOU SOME KIND OF TERRORIST?!"

    No. My resolution stands. The ends never justifies the means. Let's end all war on earth by destroying everyone that lives on Earth. With no humans, there will be no more war on Earth! Genius! Let's save American lives by nuking Japan! Let's introduce prohibition laws on alcohol!

    If it saves even one life, it's worth it!

    No it's not. We all know how that turned out.



    That is exactly what I am saying. If you abuse drugs, do you have the authority to tell your children not to? If you are a bad parent, do you have the authority to tell your children to be a good parent? If you use nuclear weapons to kill 200,000 people under the vague presumption that you are saving American lives by shitting on the rights and freedoms of others, do you have the moral authority to tell other countries not to wield nuclear weapons?

    No, you do not.



    this is not even worth my time arguing anymore because you are just flat out wrong.

    ps. who were these innocent people in WWII that were bombed?

    oh yea NOW I REMEMBER... it was the thousands of Americans the Japs bombed and killed at Pearl Harbor while they were deceiving FDR's administration with false diplomacy while we were at peace with Japan.

    America was bombed while we were at PEACE with Japan that started WWII for America.

    America dropped 2 atomic bombs and killed a shitload of japs while AT WAR with Japan to return to Peace.

    who were these innocents that lost their lives Ixen? oh yea AMERICANS.



    furthermore, whether you or anyone else believes we have the moral authority to prevent nuclear proliferation or not is irrelevant. only an evil fucking fool hellbent on the world's destruction would be for nuclear proliferation.

    why is America so vocal against nuclear proliferation? cuz we are the last remaining super power on the globe and we fucking say so bitch. that answer should be good enough for you and any other shit head that feels like America owes ANYONE an explanation for anything.


    don't like that attitude? then please please please step up and take over for us in being planet earth's and the UN's police man.

    what's that? your country lacks just about everything under the sun to take over that role? yea we already know that (insert any country on earth) and stfu until you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iXenomorph
    I'm using specific details about pearl harbor -- kamikaze -- to illustrate the specific incident -- Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- as opposed to the *whole* -- pearl harbor attack -- to the entire -- World War 2 -- .

    Regardless, you've completely missed the point.

    i skipped your point or lack there of, because the "specific details" you used were false and inacurate, as i pointed out. kamikaze attacks had nothing to do with pearl harbor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brekken
    the kamikaze attacks came later in the war when japan, short on supplies and trained pilots, became desperate and had untrained teens and young adults fly suicide missions with the sole intent of crashing their planes into targets. this was decided on because they had more planes then actual trained pilots.
    I saw a japanese comedian tonight. He said kamikazee's weren't suicide bombers, but bad asian drivers put into a cockpit.
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    Brekken, bout the earlier post which you somehow misunderstood. JFK was your last and best free Leader. After that you've pretty much had a thumb shoved up your ass and a bible slammed down on your cock. Bill Clinton was not too shabby except he was more of a hollywood star then a leader. He was a great smoke screen for black ops.

    So seriously, dismiss this shit as conspiracy, but thats what they want people to do. The fucking proof is there, just you don't really care about the issue. So don't give me this bullshit you guys are getting tired of teaching me, when you spew things that are so wrong it makes me laugh. Kamikazi fighters were used in Pearl Harbor. It was an honor to take ones life in such a manner. Yes the frequency increased after Iwo Jima since desperation caused more to take their own lives. But to say they didn't use them during Pearl Harbor is just plain dumb.

    You should be more open minded. You sound like one of those Americans "do they have Coke in Canada?" types when you guys spew off on how Arabs are the problem, not Americans. Seriously, take a big step back and look at the issue from a third party perspective. You'd see a Small and Bushy Dick Fucking a Brown and Dirty Asshole. Not a pretty sight, and both stink of shit just as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxll
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    Brekken, bout the earlier post which you somehow misunderstood. JFK was your last and best free Leader. After that you've pretty much had a thumb shoved up your ass and a bible slammed down on your cock. Bill Clinton was not too shabby except he was more of a hollywood star then a leader. He was a great smoke screen for black ops.


    wrong wrong and wrong


    So seriously, dismiss this shit as conspiracy, but thats what they want people to do. The fucking proof is there, just you don't really care about the issue. So don't give me this bullshit you guys are getting tired of teaching me, when you spew things that are so wrong it makes me laugh. Kamikazi fighters were used in Pearl Harbor. It was an honor to take ones life in such a manner. Yes the frequency increased after Iwo Jima since desperation caused more to take their own lives. But to say they didn't use them during Pearl Harbor is just plain dumb.




    once again I have to provide you with the education you obviously failed to obtain in your life so far.

    http://www.airgroup4.com/kamikaze.htm



    You should be more open minded. You sound like one of those Americans "do they have Coke in Canada?" types when you guys spew off on how Arabs are the problem, not Americans. Seriously, take a big step back and look at the issue from a third party perspective. You'd see a Small and Bushy Dick Fucking a Brown and Dirty Asshole. Not a pretty sight, and both stink of shit just as bad.


    i have stepped back and am looking at you and I am forced to conclude that you are one of the most ignorant people I have thus far argued with.

    I'm not trying to flame you. I am very serious. Reading your posts and what you believe makes me embarassed for you.

    please shhhhh from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxll
    LoL


    Brekken, bout the earlier post which you somehow misunderstood. JFK was your last and best free Leader. After that you've pretty much had a thumb shoved up your ass and a bible slammed down on your cock. Bill Clinton was not too shabby except he was more of a hollywood star then a leader. He was a great smoke screen for black ops.

    So seriously, dismiss this shit as conspiracy, but thats what they want people to do. The fucking proof is there, just you don't really care about the issue. So don't give me this bullshit you guys are getting tired of teaching me, when you spew things that are so wrong it makes me laugh. Kamikazi fighters were used in Pearl Harbor. It was an honor to take ones life in such a manner. Yes the frequency increased after Iwo Jima since desperation caused more to take their own lives. But to say they didn't use them during Pearl Harbor is just plain dumb.

    You should be more open minded. You sound like one of those Americans "do they have Coke in Canada?" types when you guys spew off on how Arabs are the problem, not Americans. Seriously, take a big step back and look at the issue from a third party perspective. You'd see a Small and Bushy Dick Fucking a Brown and Dirty Asshole. Not a pretty sight, and both stink of shit just as bad.
    first, if JFK had not been shot, he would have gone down as one of america's worst presidents of the century along with jimmy carter. second, Clinton couldn't have been a decent president because he didnt do anything. he stayed out of the way and rode Reagen's econimic wave and took credit for Gingritche's welfare reform. he ignored numerous terrorist attacks such as the kenya embasy bombing and the USS Cole, yet when a white stain was found on a blue dress belonging to an intern, he bombed our allies in kuwait! third, there is not one case of a kamikaze fighter in the pearl harbor attack. that is plain fact, you can deny it all you want, it simply makes you wrong and ignorant. 9/11 was commited by muslim extreamists, not by US politicians. however, it can be argued that clinton allowed it to happen. here is a true story for you. the CIA have bin laden in the cross hairs of a .308 sniper rifle yet he is on the wrong side of an imaginary red line that can only be seen on a map. a call is placed for presidential approval to fire and eliminate the greatest terrorist threat to the US. President Clinton is out playing golf at the time and has asked not to be disturbed. Vice President Al Gore recieves the call and is unwilling to give approval because he thinks that he should consult the president first. he puts the CIA on hold until Clinton returns from his golf game. by this time the opportunity is gone and bin laden lives to blow up the twin towers and damage the pentagon killing over 3000 US civilians!

    take your uneducated bull shit elsewhere ox, it wont fly here. there are a few people that dont buy the blame bush hype and actually learn what the truth is.
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    SK Brekken. I hope to god this was some joke. If you actually support Bush, and knock JFK and Clinton you two are the ones who need to be embarassed. Do you not realize that if you came to any part of Canada, spewed off about how great bush was, you would get your ass fucking kicked?

    Now If you went anywhere in the world the same shit would most likely happen. When I say you are as bad as arabs, perhaps you should fucking travel the world one time. You'd find out quickly how more people support my point of view on Bush, then those that support your patriotic banter.

    So go ahead, support America being the fucking assholes of the world. You think i'm not educated, but i've done so much research in this topic that it sickens me to see americans fooled by the propaganda. How could you blame the Arabs, when you were the ones who trained them to do these terrorist attacks? Oh wait you probably don't have a fucking clue to what i'm talking about. Perhaps the word Muhajadeen might trigger something? They were trained to fight russia with the exact same tactics that they are currently whopping you with now. Call me stupid all you want, but Americans take the cake. Can't even beat the people that they taught.

    To the other americans who support throwing Bush into jail for war crimes, I support you for your intelligence, and your courage to say things in a country where people are so ignorant they avoid they truth.

    Thanks for you time you two. I think you've pretty much proved my point that Americans definately shouldn't have Nukes.

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    http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

    If you haven't seen this, I recommend watching it. Might open your eyes.

    Or call it conspiracy crap, but it is a great watch, with points that are hard to ignore.

    Zeitgeist 'the movie' is the one you want to start with.

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    I'm basically of the same side of this debate as you, Oxll, but do not use Zeitgeist as a good talking point. Its incredibly one sided and has no end of falsehoods in it. Its very entertaining but shouldn't be brought up as evidence unless the discussion is about propoganda.
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